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maxdogbreath
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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 2:10:55 GMT

Post by maxdogbreath on Sept 15, 2015 2:10:55 GMT

Hi there,

I was playing on the Spa server for most of 14/9/15 with no significant problems. (I was taken out a couple of times, saw some wrecking behaviour, but I'm not the sort to complain...) during the course of the day I raced door to door with many other drivers, giving them room and letting them through when they were clearly faster. In the early morning of 15/9/15 I was approaching the final chicane in my M3 and had a 458 close behind. I made a clear move to the right to cover the inside line (as I believe you can) and held my line. The 458 behind me, who was going fractionally quicker than me, then pulled further right, partly off the right hand edge of the track in a suicidal move up the inside. Given that I was on the track and on the racing line I turned into the chicane and the 458, inevitably, takes me out. With both our races ruined I type "no" in chat to express my feelings on the matter, and then carry on with my race. A vote goes up to restart the race - the vote loses (I didn't see who started the vote). Then a vote goes up to get me kicked! The vote wins, voted on by a half full server and by people, unless I am very mistaken, do not know who I am and did not see the incident.

So now I am blacklisted and have a 'strike' against my name. Perhaps if I'd seen the name of the driver first I could have got the vote in first and got him kicked - but I'm not that kind of player. Whatever, I am now kicked for an undisclosed period and feel I did nothing to deserve it. I am angry and feel an injustice has been done. I am a fair driver who fully understands and agrees with ALOOG's principles of respectful and mature driving, but I do not agree with my favourite pastime being ruined by random gamers who know how to abuse your policing system.

Please consider my case.

GUID=76561197979097169

Footnote:

bigbawmcgraw:

Since this forum gives me no opportunity to reply to your insinuations I'll try and post it here in the form of an edit... Firstly, thankyou for the blacklist lift. IIRC the lilhandball case involved multiple crashes/restarts and this driver was seen as a major cause of them. I would not 'blindly vote' and eleven voters agreed, as opposed to the 6 who got rid of me. You say "It is very rare for a vote kick to pass unless the player has been seen by the majority of others on track to be driving badly" but then readily accuse me blindly voting? The phenomenon of blind voting is not so rare methinks. Did you mention the times I voted no to kickvotes? The bottom line is I got hit from behind and find myself 33% nearer a permaban. This only has to happen twice more and I'm off your servers for good? That's harsh.

Last Edit: Sept 15, 2015 9:02:05 GMT by maxdogbreath

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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 6:05:04 GMT

Post by bigbawmcgraw on Sept 15, 2015 6:05:04 GMT

It is very rare for a vote kick to pass unless the player has been seen by the majority of others on track to be driving badly.
On this occasion you were voted out 6 v 5.
Whilst looking through the logs I also noticed that you voted to kick a player called lihandball ( GUID 76561198001675201 ) and it passed successfully 11 v 10. Did you see this person driving bad or did you just blind vote because everyone else was?

Anyway, your GUID 76561197979097169 has been removed from the blacklist.
3 strikes and you're out permanently.

demetri Server Admin Posts: 381	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 11:43:51 GMT via mobile bigbawmcgraw and horus like this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by demetri on Sept 15, 2015 11:43:51 GMT I can confirm that lihandball is indeed a racer with rather poor driving skills, so no wonder he was eventually vote-kicked

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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 12:28:35 GMT

Post by bigbawmcgraw on Sept 15, 2015 12:28:35 GMT

Sept 15, 2015 2:10:55 GMT maxdogbreath said:

Since this forum gives me no opportunity to reply to your insinuations I'll try and post it here in the form of an edit... Firstly, thankyou for the blacklist lift. IIRC the lilhandball case involved multiple crashes/restarts and this driver was seen as a major cause of them. I would not 'blindly vote' and eleven voters agreed, as opposed to the 6 who got rid of me. You say "It is very rare for a vote kick to pass unless the player has been seen by the majority of others on track to be driving badly" but then readily accuse me blindly voting? The phenomenon of blind voting is not so rare methinks. Did you mention the times I voted no to kickvotes? The bottom line is I got hit from behind and find myself 33% nearer a permaban. This only has to happen twice more and I'm off your servers for good? That's harsh.

Not sure why you can't reply to this thread, horus has made some changes today but I think it may have gone awry. You shouldn't have been able to edit your post but you should be able to reply.

The point is, the vast majority of good fair drivers have never been vote kicked from any servers. We accept that sometimes unfair votes do pass which is why we give 3 chances. In reality you should never need the other 2 chances.

Now you may think you are a good driver (I'm not doubting you because AFAIK I've never raced with you) but perhaps you could have been more careful somewhere? If it happens again be sure to save your replay.

Anyway, don't fret, so long as you're careful on track you have nothing to worry about.

PS, I didn't readily accuse you of blindly voting, I asked if you did. The question mark (?) should have made that clear. A word to the wise, please don't continue arguing because I'm really not in the mood for it today. Your ban has been lifted, have fun and drive safe.

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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 15:48:32 GMT gbh, horus, and 2 more like this

Post by bigbawmcgraw on Sept 15, 2015 15:48:32 GMT

Was there anyone on that server that you didn't hit?

7762: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 62.591175 WORLD POS: [583.544495,73.010490,836.521545] REL POS: [-1.020603,-0.290102,1.753187]
7765: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 2.4060717 WORLD POS: [583.645996,73.641914,837.608093] REL POS: [-1.009020,0.298240,-1.002099]
8091: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 95.21861 WORLD POS: [-396.917450,24.747347,-929.337891] REL POS: [-1.007550,-0.291392,1.764910]
10100: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 17.202354 WORLD POS: [-435.322357,28.169897,-961.044373] REL POS: [0.956737,0.041248,-1.381011]
10893: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 28.0505 WORLD POS: [-440.056946,27.805828,-948.542847] REL POS: [-0.692541,-0.259290,-2.317292]
25310: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 129.613 WORLD POS: [-398.227570,25.171215,-927.871216] REL POS: [-1.020537,0.139886,1.685094]
27708: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND breenracing [] SPEED: 70.600525 WORLD POS: [-442.932129,28.173159,-944.476746] REL POS: [-0.716535,-0.150396,-2.280155]
27709: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 102.35839 WORLD POS: [-440.010071,27.731779,-951.892883] REL POS: [-1.019682,-0.290106,1.753658]
27752: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 58.672924 WORLD POS: [-432.446136,27.774206,-961.899414] REL POS: [-1.020600,-0.290109,1.753164]
27781: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 84.894554 WORLD POS: [-284.628204,18.292551,-902.778870] REL POS: [-1.020559,-0.268861,1.749806]
27782: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 200.85312 WORLD POS: [-251.707077,16.637854,-897.549683] REL POS: [-0.717345,-0.290578,2.193738]
27783: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 177.72415 WORLD POS: [-234.114441,15.269353,-877.941101] REL POS: [-0.872186,0.038439,-1.967610]
27808: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 148.87012 WORLD POS: [-231.783783,14.242269,-870.510010] REL POS: [0.730645,-0.290558,2.174413]
27846: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.675285 WORLD POS: [-194.884796,12.176430,-854.510010] REL POS: [1.020605,-0.290108,1.753170]
31487: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Greg William [] SPEED: 167.4969 WORLD POS: [270.754913,56.074432,1054.169678] REL POS: [-0.004434,-0.043496,2.249059]
36722: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 80.23319 WORLD POS: [343.314270,28.178146,730.528503] REL POS: [0.936873,0.562170,-2.066049]
37925: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 44.433624 WORLD POS: [604.319275,66.203041,562.123657] REL POS: [-0.938276,0.070596,-1.700575]
37935: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 93.04056 WORLD POS: [621.068481,70.101479,658.178101] REL POS: [-0.883301,-0.297184,-1.879743]
38322: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 60.714718 WORLD POS: [-209.319824,11.519696,-434.608612] REL POS: [-1.020630,-0.290107,1.753178]
38688: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 40.535233 WORLD POS: [-400.432129,26.642885,-960.976440] REL POS: [-1.020626,-0.231778,1.743953]
38689: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.13962 WORLD POS: [-331.402374,20.553085,-910.459351] REL POS: [0.717337,-0.290575,2.193769]
38806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Duca T [] SPEED: 26.690948 WORLD POS: [-106.897270,-18.770287,733.049988] REL POS: [0.697622,-0.180097,2.161915]
39607: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 341.89212 WORLD POS: [-366.253235,-18.931473,822.068970] REL POS: [-0.973457,-0.263576,1.754364]
39608: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.69327 WORLD POS: [-369.721710,-18.502251,862.390869] REL POS: [-0.850435,0.932496,-2.432967]
43514: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 21.442028 WORLD POS: [-250.764313,-17.768078,763.035767] REL POS: [-1.001502,-0.237818,1.725576]
43853: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 41.213943 WORLD POS: [-208.410538,12.102424,-448.904327] REL POS: [0.924587,-0.310480,-1.115104]
44302: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 58.510147 WORLD POS: [397.807709,34.684669,809.247803] REL POS: [-1.007915,0.298221,-1.002021]
44332: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND uku [] SPEED: 348.34967 WORLD POS: [-211.185547,-17.845762,777.152100] REL POS: [-0.906598,-0.290282,1.918838]
44751: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 29.655083 WORLD POS: [597.480164,71.380669,677.920654] REL POS: [-1.020658,0.139898,1.685178]
44757: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 55.70956 WORLD POS: [568.916504,72.831276,727.520020] REL POS: [-0.970298,0.136296,-0.930326]
46731: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 160.36841 WORLD POS: [351.245819,28.955872,752.997803] REL POS: [0.966983,-0.237174,1.786718]
47452: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Max Caputi [] SPEED: 75.02635 WORLD POS: [619.769836,68.639252,628.769531] REL POS: [1.004626,-0.253177,1.747295]
47486: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Carbinolla [] SPEED: 115.29242 WORLD POS: [585.158875,74.054970,897.464233] REL POS: [1.019961,-0.262823,1.748833]
52076: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 100.14066 WORLD POS: [-629.245850,-28.191170,857.406677] REL POS: [-1.012060,0.284986,-0.777324]
113681: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 177.35445 WORLD POS: [556.377563,73.258743,737.507690] REL POS: [-1.020606,-0.290109,1.753204]
118548: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 14.543148 WORLD POS: [-298.549133,20.936136,-711.587402] REL POS: [1.018585,-0.163455,1.160046]
118563: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 98.96535 WORLD POS: [-433.991364,27.419184,-935.836975] REL POS: [-0.931648,-0.308982,-0.904307]
118564: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 88.33964 WORLD POS: [-428.564362,27.074419,-923.665894] REL POS: [-0.716471,-0.285760,2.192368]
118597: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 58.00871 WORLD POS: [-436.826172,27.535286,-945.924011] REL POS: [-0.804268,-0.267769,2.033560]
119334: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Art [] SPEED: 120.085205 WORLD POS: [577.350342,72.966209,758.755554] REL POS: [0.919236,-0.311604,-1.272700]
119414: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 29.180342 WORLD POS: [-392.381836,26.498909,-957.474670] REL POS: [1.006132,0.137657,-0.347562]
119578: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Tikal Sport [] SPEED: 102.21523 WORLD POS: [405.413605,37.456951,-28.086178] REL POS: [0.916898,-0.213916,-1.756969]
119579: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 296.10434 WORLD POS: [404.348145,38.130592,-24.169275] REL POS: [-0.949483,0.381840,-0.846434]
119580: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Futaba [] SPEED: 167.97864 WORLD POS: [409.352509,39.205627,-17.167366] REL POS: [0.850239,0.932367,-2.432977]
119581: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 279.2288 WORLD POS: [443.739014,41.288406,51.750069] REL POS: [0.028515,-0.268750,2.254655]
119625: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND aenimaf1 [] SPEED: 348.94568 WORLD POS: [457.531281,44.036671,106.663315] REL POS: [0.805911,-0.293466,-2.039989]
119662: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND orangepylon [] SPEED: 272.32892 WORLD POS: [501.051880,52.379673,284.757843] REL POS: [-0.977624,0.140008,1.728641]
124247: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 278.44696 WORLD POS: [399.396851,34.428230,812.727966] REL POS: [-0.946776,-0.293370,1.842387]
129673: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 15.12555 WORLD POS: [-150.036026,8.612933,-806.444458] REL POS: [1.020058,-0.241400,1.744859]
129696: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 36.2394 WORLD POS: [-116.521645,6.171313,-769.874878] REL POS: [0.685516,-0.160189,2.149783]
129697: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 425.53082 WORLD POS: [-116.867493,6.232290,-768.046997] REL POS: [-0.856961,-0.227004,1.716573]
129698: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND mikelpalmer22 [] SPEED: 165.10329 WORLD POS: [-84.860146,4.163875,-743.543091] REL POS: [0.987204,-0.297208,0.753770]
129723: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 26.106035 WORLD POS: [7.998940,-2.129143,-632.177856] REL POS: [1.009740,0.298316,-1.001998]
129729: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 94.53056 WORLD POS: [87.067757,-4.129225,-543.546448] REL POS: [0.850447,0.932496,-2.433025]
136806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 357.87357 WORLD POS: [344.685669,45.512848,950.766418] REL POS: [-0.519080,-0.303933,2.178321]
144336: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND john keur [] SPEED: 4.2428794 WORLD POS: [-356.448944,23.080645,-806.537354] REL POS: [-1.020590,-0.066975,1.717848]
149013: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 85.749954 WORLD POS: [350.586151,45.150177,946.777344] REL POS: [-1.020642,0.139899,1.685152]
149016: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 105.587006 WORLD POS: [349.175232,45.782417,947.737366] REL POS: [-0.924472,0.615169,-2.118577]
149627: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Chopper Harley [] SPEED: 36.73542 WORLD POS: [593.716858,71.098030,680.984680] REL POS: [-1.014627,-0.269666,1.749958]
150085: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Ovat [] SPEED: 36.66871 WORLD POS: [387.604523,41.040691,903.924988] REL POS: [0.986288,0.071196,-0.723659]
150424: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 189.78062 WORLD POS: [369.561737,43.632774,933.950256] REL POS: [-0.812097,-0.105686,1.853474]
152643: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 196.17471 WORLD POS: [-145.618423,1.672416,-91.934540] REL POS: [0.936872,0.562169,-2.066062]
153500: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND NOS [] SPEED: 119.56176 WORLD POS: [399.400543,39.110584,884.865723] REL POS: [-0.274652,-0.103960,2.180022]
153837: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.344772 WORLD POS: [-175.788666,4.040937,-164.733536] REL POS: [0.850452,0.932496,-2.433018]
155379: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KamilWR [] SPEED: 22.839329 WORLD POS: [621.367188,69.032227,634.019104] REL POS: [1.016254,-0.166440,1.733589]
155380: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 116.989296 WORLD POS: [599.699402,70.392876,662.993591] REL POS: [-0.717346,-0.290576,2.193738]
162889: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 50.240738 WORLD POS: [-474.073425,-17.687588,554.546936] REL POS: [-0.920825,0.561025,-2.045545]
163312: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 203.0184 WORLD POS: [394.462158,41.473602,916.176147] REL POS: [0.005418,-0.285480,2.291980]
164042: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Menudo Pollon Tengo [] SPEED: 75.97312 WORLD POS: [-157.655670,2.324826,-167.359787] REL POS: [-0.937241,0.055357,-1.697842]
164127: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND SchummelSchumi [] SPEED: 185.02295 WORLD POS: [-202.095627,12.531074,-461.425262] REL POS: [-0.925351,-0.310319,-1.092618]

horus ALOOG aloha āina Posts: 593	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 16:11:12 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by horus on Sept 15, 2015 16:11:12 GMT LOL ROFL! Maybe it was a friend?
	Last Edit: Sept 15, 2015 16:22:39 GMT by horus

demetri Server Admin Posts: 381	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 17:09:41 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by demetri on Sept 15, 2015 17:09:41 GMT That wasn't from just a single race, I hope. horus, can I get the entire log file(s) you took these records from? I'd like to see if I can get any ideas about better detection of bad drivers that I can send to Minolin

horus ALOOG aloha āina Posts: 593	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 17:12:00 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by horus on Sept 15, 2015 17:12:00 GMT Not me Demetri it was Mr G. It is the server log so I do not know if it is possible. Ask Mr G, he can only say Yes or No.

demetri Server Admin Posts: 381	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 17:42:12 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by demetri on Sept 15, 2015 17:42:12 GMT Oops, my bad, that post was so long that I forgot who the author was bigbawmcgraw, can I get that log you took these records from? It would be interesting to have all logs for the last month or so from aloog-0

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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 18:31:32 GMT horus likes this

Post by HAYABUSA on Sept 15, 2015 18:31:32 GMT

Sept 15, 2015 15:48:32 GMT bigbawmcgraw said:

Was there anyone on that server that you didn't hit?

7762: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 62.591175 WORLD POS: [583.544495,73.010490,836.521545] REL POS: [-1.020603,-0.290102,1.753187]
7765: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 2.4060717 WORLD POS: [583.645996,73.641914,837.608093] REL POS: [-1.009020,0.298240,-1.002099]
8091: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 95.21861 WORLD POS: [-396.917450,24.747347,-929.337891] REL POS: [-1.007550,-0.291392,1.764910]
10100: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 17.202354 WORLD POS: [-435.322357,28.169897,-961.044373] REL POS: [0.956737,0.041248,-1.381011]
10893: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 28.0505 WORLD POS: [-440.056946,27.805828,-948.542847] REL POS: [-0.692541,-0.259290,-2.317292]
25310: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 129.613 WORLD POS: [-398.227570,25.171215,-927.871216] REL POS: [-1.020537,0.139886,1.685094]
27708: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND breenracing [] SPEED: 70.600525 WORLD POS: [-442.932129,28.173159,-944.476746] REL POS: [-0.716535,-0.150396,-2.280155]
27709: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 102.35839 WORLD POS: [-440.010071,27.731779,-951.892883] REL POS: [-1.019682,-0.290106,1.753658]
27752: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 58.672924 WORLD POS: [-432.446136,27.774206,-961.899414] REL POS: [-1.020600,-0.290109,1.753164]
27781: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 84.894554 WORLD POS: [-284.628204,18.292551,-902.778870] REL POS: [-1.020559,-0.268861,1.749806]
27782: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 200.85312 WORLD POS: [-251.707077,16.637854,-897.549683] REL POS: [-0.717345,-0.290578,2.193738]
27783: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 177.72415 WORLD POS: [-234.114441,15.269353,-877.941101] REL POS: [-0.872186,0.038439,-1.967610]
27808: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 148.87012 WORLD POS: [-231.783783,14.242269,-870.510010] REL POS: [0.730645,-0.290558,2.174413]
27846: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.675285 WORLD POS: [-194.884796,12.176430,-854.510010] REL POS: [1.020605,-0.290108,1.753170]
31487: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Greg William [] SPEED: 167.4969 WORLD POS: [270.754913,56.074432,1054.169678] REL POS: [-0.004434,-0.043496,2.249059]
36722: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 80.23319 WORLD POS: [343.314270,28.178146,730.528503] REL POS: [0.936873,0.562170,-2.066049]
37925: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 44.433624 WORLD POS: [604.319275,66.203041,562.123657] REL POS: [-0.938276,0.070596,-1.700575]
37935: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 93.04056 WORLD POS: [621.068481,70.101479,658.178101] REL POS: [-0.883301,-0.297184,-1.879743]
38322: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 60.714718 WORLD POS: [-209.319824,11.519696,-434.608612] REL POS: [-1.020630,-0.290107,1.753178]
38688: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 40.535233 WORLD POS: [-400.432129,26.642885,-960.976440] REL POS: [-1.020626,-0.231778,1.743953]
38689: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.13962 WORLD POS: [-331.402374,20.553085,-910.459351] REL POS: [0.717337,-0.290575,2.193769]
38806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Duca T [] SPEED: 26.690948 WORLD POS: [-106.897270,-18.770287,733.049988] REL POS: [0.697622,-0.180097,2.161915]
39607: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 341.89212 WORLD POS: [-366.253235,-18.931473,822.068970] REL POS: [-0.973457,-0.263576,1.754364]
39608: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.69327 WORLD POS: [-369.721710,-18.502251,862.390869] REL POS: [-0.850435,0.932496,-2.432967]
43514: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 21.442028 WORLD POS: [-250.764313,-17.768078,763.035767] REL POS: [-1.001502,-0.237818,1.725576]
43853: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 41.213943 WORLD POS: [-208.410538,12.102424,-448.904327] REL POS: [0.924587,-0.310480,-1.115104]
44302: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 58.510147 WORLD POS: [397.807709,34.684669,809.247803] REL POS: [-1.007915,0.298221,-1.002021]
44332: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND uku [] SPEED: 348.34967 WORLD POS: [-211.185547,-17.845762,777.152100] REL POS: [-0.906598,-0.290282,1.918838]
44751: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 29.655083 WORLD POS: [597.480164,71.380669,677.920654] REL POS: [-1.020658,0.139898,1.685178]
44757: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 55.70956 WORLD POS: [568.916504,72.831276,727.520020] REL POS: [-0.970298,0.136296,-0.930326]
46731: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 160.36841 WORLD POS: [351.245819,28.955872,752.997803] REL POS: [0.966983,-0.237174,1.786718]
47452: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Max Caputi [] SPEED: 75.02635 WORLD POS: [619.769836,68.639252,628.769531] REL POS: [1.004626,-0.253177,1.747295]
47486: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Carbinolla [] SPEED: 115.29242 WORLD POS: [585.158875,74.054970,897.464233] REL POS: [1.019961,-0.262823,1.748833]
52076: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 100.14066 WORLD POS: [-629.245850,-28.191170,857.406677] REL POS: [-1.012060,0.284986,-0.777324]
113681: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 177.35445 WORLD POS: [556.377563,73.258743,737.507690] REL POS: [-1.020606,-0.290109,1.753204]
118548: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 14.543148 WORLD POS: [-298.549133,20.936136,-711.587402] REL POS: [1.018585,-0.163455,1.160046]
118563: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 98.96535 WORLD POS: [-433.991364,27.419184,-935.836975] REL POS: [-0.931648,-0.308982,-0.904307]
118564: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 88.33964 WORLD POS: [-428.564362,27.074419,-923.665894] REL POS: [-0.716471,-0.285760,2.192368]
118597: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 58.00871 WORLD POS: [-436.826172,27.535286,-945.924011] REL POS: [-0.804268,-0.267769,2.033560]
119334: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Art [] SPEED: 120.085205 WORLD POS: [577.350342,72.966209,758.755554] REL POS: [0.919236,-0.311604,-1.272700]
119414: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 29.180342 WORLD POS: [-392.381836,26.498909,-957.474670] REL POS: [1.006132,0.137657,-0.347562]
119578: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Tikal Sport [] SPEED: 102.21523 WORLD POS: [405.413605,37.456951,-28.086178] REL POS: [0.916898,-0.213916,-1.756969]
119579: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 296.10434 WORLD POS: [404.348145,38.130592,-24.169275] REL POS: [-0.949483,0.381840,-0.846434]
119580: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Futaba [] SPEED: 167.97864 WORLD POS: [409.352509,39.205627,-17.167366] REL POS: [0.850239,0.932367,-2.432977]
119581: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 279.2288 WORLD POS: [443.739014,41.288406,51.750069] REL POS: [0.028515,-0.268750,2.254655]
119625: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND aenimaf1 [] SPEED: 348.94568 WORLD POS: [457.531281,44.036671,106.663315] REL POS: [0.805911,-0.293466,-2.039989]
119662: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND orangepylon [] SPEED: 272.32892 WORLD POS: [501.051880,52.379673,284.757843] REL POS: [-0.977624,0.140008,1.728641]
124247: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 278.44696 WORLD POS: [399.396851,34.428230,812.727966] REL POS: [-0.946776,-0.293370,1.842387]
129673: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 15.12555 WORLD POS: [-150.036026,8.612933,-806.444458] REL POS: [1.020058,-0.241400,1.744859]
129696: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 36.2394 WORLD POS: [-116.521645,6.171313,-769.874878] REL POS: [0.685516,-0.160189,2.149783]
129697: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 425.53082 WORLD POS: [-116.867493,6.232290,-768.046997] REL POS: [-0.856961,-0.227004,1.716573]
129698: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND mikelpalmer22 [] SPEED: 165.10329 WORLD POS: [-84.860146,4.163875,-743.543091] REL POS: [0.987204,-0.297208,0.753770]
129723: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 26.106035 WORLD POS: [7.998940,-2.129143,-632.177856] REL POS: [1.009740,0.298316,-1.001998]
129729: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 94.53056 WORLD POS: [87.067757,-4.129225,-543.546448] REL POS: [0.850447,0.932496,-2.433025]
136806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 357.87357 WORLD POS: [344.685669,45.512848,950.766418] REL POS: [-0.519080,-0.303933,2.178321]
144336: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND john keur [] SPEED: 4.2428794 WORLD POS: [-356.448944,23.080645,-806.537354] REL POS: [-1.020590,-0.066975,1.717848]
149013: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 85.749954 WORLD POS: [350.586151,45.150177,946.777344] REL POS: [-1.020642,0.139899,1.685152]
149016: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 105.587006 WORLD POS: [349.175232,45.782417,947.737366] REL POS: [-0.924472,0.615169,-2.118577]
149627: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Chopper Harley [] SPEED: 36.73542 WORLD POS: [593.716858,71.098030,680.984680] REL POS: [-1.014627,-0.269666,1.749958]
150085: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Ovat [] SPEED: 36.66871 WORLD POS: [387.604523,41.040691,903.924988] REL POS: [0.986288,0.071196,-0.723659]
150424: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 189.78062 WORLD POS: [369.561737,43.632774,933.950256] REL POS: [-0.812097,-0.105686,1.853474]
152643: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 196.17471 WORLD POS: [-145.618423,1.672416,-91.934540] REL POS: [0.936872,0.562169,-2.066062]
153500: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND NOS [] SPEED: 119.56176 WORLD POS: [399.400543,39.110584,884.865723] REL POS: [-0.274652,-0.103960,2.180022]
153837: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.344772 WORLD POS: [-175.788666,4.040937,-164.733536] REL POS: [0.850452,0.932496,-2.433018]
155379: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KamilWR [] SPEED: 22.839329 WORLD POS: [621.367188,69.032227,634.019104] REL POS: [1.016254,-0.166440,1.733589]
155380: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 116.989296 WORLD POS: [599.699402,70.392876,662.993591] REL POS: [-0.717346,-0.290576,2.193738]
162889: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 50.240738 WORLD POS: [-474.073425,-17.687588,554.546936] REL POS: [-0.920825,0.561025,-2.045545]
163312: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 203.0184 WORLD POS: [394.462158,41.473602,916.176147] REL POS: [0.005418,-0.285480,2.291980]
164042: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Menudo Pollon Tengo [] SPEED: 75.97312 WORLD POS: [-157.655670,2.324826,-167.359787] REL POS: [-0.937241,0.055357,-1.697842]
164127: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND SchummelSchumi [] SPEED: 185.02295 WORLD POS: [-202.095627,12.531074,-461.425262] REL POS: [-0.925351,-0.310319,-1.092618]

I should drive more carefully from now on! (:))

Please race clean and fair!!
HAYABUSA

PsyaNyde Esquire Posts: 8	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 18:40:56 GMT Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by PsyaNyde on Sept 15, 2015 18:40:56 GMT Sept 15, 2015 16:11:12 GMT horus said: LOL ROFL! Maybe it was a friend? Duh, no need for the sarcasm, his cat was driving of course

bigbawmcgraw Global Moderator Posts: 1,722	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 19:01:48 GMT demetri likes this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by bigbawmcgraw on Sept 15, 2015 19:01:48 GMT Don't be silly, cats don't have opposable thumbs, it was most certainly his pet monkey. demetri I'll sort something out tomorrow.

horus ALOOG aloha āina Posts: 593	Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 19:27:42 GMT PsyaNyde and HAYABUSA like this Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by horus on Sept 15, 2015 19:27:42 GMT Excuse me, opposable thumbs you say?

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Post by andyriches on Sept 15, 2015 19:31:41 GMT

Sept 15, 2015 15:48:32 GMT bigbawmcgraw said:

Was there anyone on that server that you didn't hit?

7762: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 62.591175 WORLD POS: [583.544495,73.010490,836.521545] REL POS: [-1.020603,-0.290102,1.753187]
7765: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 2.4060717 WORLD POS: [583.645996,73.641914,837.608093] REL POS: [-1.009020,0.298240,-1.002099]
8091: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 95.21861 WORLD POS: [-396.917450,24.747347,-929.337891] REL POS: [-1.007550,-0.291392,1.764910]
10100: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 17.202354 WORLD POS: [-435.322357,28.169897,-961.044373] REL POS: [0.956737,0.041248,-1.381011]
10893: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Fabio Rizzotto [] SPEED: 28.0505 WORLD POS: [-440.056946,27.805828,-948.542847] REL POS: [-0.692541,-0.259290,-2.317292]
25310: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 129.613 WORLD POS: [-398.227570,25.171215,-927.871216] REL POS: [-1.020537,0.139886,1.685094]
27708: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND breenracing [] SPEED: 70.600525 WORLD POS: [-442.932129,28.173159,-944.476746] REL POS: [-0.716535,-0.150396,-2.280155]
27709: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 102.35839 WORLD POS: [-440.010071,27.731779,-951.892883] REL POS: [-1.019682,-0.290106,1.753658]
27752: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 58.672924 WORLD POS: [-432.446136,27.774206,-961.899414] REL POS: [-1.020600,-0.290109,1.753164]
27781: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 84.894554 WORLD POS: [-284.628204,18.292551,-902.778870] REL POS: [-1.020559,-0.268861,1.749806]
27782: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 200.85312 WORLD POS: [-251.707077,16.637854,-897.549683] REL POS: [-0.717345,-0.290578,2.193738]
27783: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 177.72415 WORLD POS: [-234.114441,15.269353,-877.941101] REL POS: [-0.872186,0.038439,-1.967610]
27808: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 148.87012 WORLD POS: [-231.783783,14.242269,-870.510010] REL POS: [0.730645,-0.290558,2.174413]
27846: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.675285 WORLD POS: [-194.884796,12.176430,-854.510010] REL POS: [1.020605,-0.290108,1.753170]
31487: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Greg William [] SPEED: 167.4969 WORLD POS: [270.754913,56.074432,1054.169678] REL POS: [-0.004434,-0.043496,2.249059]
36722: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 80.23319 WORLD POS: [343.314270,28.178146,730.528503] REL POS: [0.936873,0.562170,-2.066049]
37925: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 44.433624 WORLD POS: [604.319275,66.203041,562.123657] REL POS: [-0.938276,0.070596,-1.700575]
37935: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Apex Barrett [] SPEED: 93.04056 WORLD POS: [621.068481,70.101479,658.178101] REL POS: [-0.883301,-0.297184,-1.879743]
38322: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Burli [] SPEED: 60.714718 WORLD POS: [-209.319824,11.519696,-434.608612] REL POS: [-1.020630,-0.290107,1.753178]
38688: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 40.535233 WORLD POS: [-400.432129,26.642885,-960.976440] REL POS: [-1.020626,-0.231778,1.743953]
38689: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.13962 WORLD POS: [-331.402374,20.553085,-910.459351] REL POS: [0.717337,-0.290575,2.193769]
38806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Duca T [] SPEED: 26.690948 WORLD POS: [-106.897270,-18.770287,733.049988] REL POS: [0.697622,-0.180097,2.161915]
39607: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Clio Rs [] SPEED: 341.89212 WORLD POS: [-366.253235,-18.931473,822.068970] REL POS: [-0.973457,-0.263576,1.754364]
39608: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 155.69327 WORLD POS: [-369.721710,-18.502251,862.390869] REL POS: [-0.850435,0.932496,-2.432967]
43514: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Bruno Tenorio [] SPEED: 21.442028 WORLD POS: [-250.764313,-17.768078,763.035767] REL POS: [-1.001502,-0.237818,1.725576]
43853: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KE1TH [] SPEED: 41.213943 WORLD POS: [-208.410538,12.102424,-448.904327] REL POS: [0.924587,-0.310480,-1.115104]
44302: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 58.510147 WORLD POS: [397.807709,34.684669,809.247803] REL POS: [-1.007915,0.298221,-1.002021]
44332: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND uku [] SPEED: 348.34967 WORLD POS: [-211.185547,-17.845762,777.152100] REL POS: [-0.906598,-0.290282,1.918838]
44751: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 29.655083 WORLD POS: [597.480164,71.380669,677.920654] REL POS: [-1.020658,0.139898,1.685178]
44757: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Daniel Bijl [] SPEED: 55.70956 WORLD POS: [568.916504,72.831276,727.520020] REL POS: [-0.970298,0.136296,-0.930326]
46731: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 160.36841 WORLD POS: [351.245819,28.955872,752.997803] REL POS: [0.966983,-0.237174,1.786718]
47452: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Max Caputi [] SPEED: 75.02635 WORLD POS: [619.769836,68.639252,628.769531] REL POS: [1.004626,-0.253177,1.747295]
47486: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Carbinolla [] SPEED: 115.29242 WORLD POS: [585.158875,74.054970,897.464233] REL POS: [1.019961,-0.262823,1.748833]
52076: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 100.14066 WORLD POS: [-629.245850,-28.191170,857.406677] REL POS: [-1.012060,0.284986,-0.777324]
113681: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 177.35445 WORLD POS: [556.377563,73.258743,737.507690] REL POS: [-1.020606,-0.290109,1.753204]
118548: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 14.543148 WORLD POS: [-298.549133,20.936136,-711.587402] REL POS: [1.018585,-0.163455,1.160046]
118563: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 98.96535 WORLD POS: [-433.991364,27.419184,-935.836975] REL POS: [-0.931648,-0.308982,-0.904307]
118564: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 88.33964 WORLD POS: [-428.564362,27.074419,-923.665894] REL POS: [-0.716471,-0.285760,2.192368]
118597: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 58.00871 WORLD POS: [-436.826172,27.535286,-945.924011] REL POS: [-0.804268,-0.267769,2.033560]
119334: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Art [] SPEED: 120.085205 WORLD POS: [577.350342,72.966209,758.755554] REL POS: [0.919236,-0.311604,-1.272700]
119414: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Roberto Dominici [] SPEED: 29.180342 WORLD POS: [-392.381836,26.498909,-957.474670] REL POS: [1.006132,0.137657,-0.347562]
119578: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Tikal Sport [] SPEED: 102.21523 WORLD POS: [405.413605,37.456951,-28.086178] REL POS: [0.916898,-0.213916,-1.756969]
119579: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND doc [] SPEED: 296.10434 WORLD POS: [404.348145,38.130592,-24.169275] REL POS: [-0.949483,0.381840,-0.846434]
119580: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Futaba [] SPEED: 167.97864 WORLD POS: [409.352509,39.205627,-17.167366] REL POS: [0.850239,0.932367,-2.432977]
119581: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 279.2288 WORLD POS: [443.739014,41.288406,51.750069] REL POS: [0.028515,-0.268750,2.254655]
119625: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND aenimaf1 [] SPEED: 348.94568 WORLD POS: [457.531281,44.036671,106.663315] REL POS: [0.805911,-0.293466,-2.039989]
119662: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND orangepylon [] SPEED: 272.32892 WORLD POS: [501.051880,52.379673,284.757843] REL POS: [-0.977624,0.140008,1.728641]
124247: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 278.44696 WORLD POS: [399.396851,34.428230,812.727966] REL POS: [-0.946776,-0.293370,1.842387]
129673: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 15.12555 WORLD POS: [-150.036026,8.612933,-806.444458] REL POS: [1.020058,-0.241400,1.744859]
129696: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Cheche73 [] SPEED: 36.2394 WORLD POS: [-116.521645,6.171313,-769.874878] REL POS: [0.685516,-0.160189,2.149783]
129697: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 425.53082 WORLD POS: [-116.867493,6.232290,-768.046997] REL POS: [-0.856961,-0.227004,1.716573]
129698: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND mikelpalmer22 [] SPEED: 165.10329 WORLD POS: [-84.860146,4.163875,-743.543091] REL POS: [0.987204,-0.297208,0.753770]
129723: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 26.106035 WORLD POS: [7.998940,-2.129143,-632.177856] REL POS: [1.009740,0.298316,-1.001998]
129729: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 94.53056 WORLD POS: [87.067757,-4.129225,-543.546448] REL POS: [0.850447,0.932496,-2.433025]
136806: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 357.87357 WORLD POS: [344.685669,45.512848,950.766418] REL POS: [-0.519080,-0.303933,2.178321]
144336: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND john keur [] SPEED: 4.2428794 WORLD POS: [-356.448944,23.080645,-806.537354] REL POS: [-1.020590,-0.066975,1.717848]
149013: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 85.749954 WORLD POS: [350.586151,45.150177,946.777344] REL POS: [-1.020642,0.139899,1.685152]
149016: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 105.587006 WORLD POS: [349.175232,45.782417,947.737366] REL POS: [-0.924472,0.615169,-2.118577]
149627: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Chopper Harley [] SPEED: 36.73542 WORLD POS: [593.716858,71.098030,680.984680] REL POS: [-1.014627,-0.269666,1.749958]
150085: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Ovat [] SPEED: 36.66871 WORLD POS: [387.604523,41.040691,903.924988] REL POS: [0.986288,0.071196,-0.723659]
150424: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 189.78062 WORLD POS: [369.561737,43.632774,933.950256] REL POS: [-0.812097,-0.105686,1.853474]
152643: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 196.17471 WORLD POS: [-145.618423,1.672416,-91.934540] REL POS: [0.936872,0.562169,-2.066062]
153500: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND NOS [] SPEED: 119.56176 WORLD POS: [399.400543,39.110584,884.865723] REL POS: [-0.274652,-0.103960,2.180022]
153837: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 46.344772 WORLD POS: [-175.788666,4.040937,-164.733536] REL POS: [0.850452,0.932496,-2.433018]
155379: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND KamilWR [] SPEED: 22.839329 WORLD POS: [621.367188,69.032227,634.019104] REL POS: [1.016254,-0.166440,1.733589]
155380: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 116.989296 WORLD POS: [599.699402,70.392876,662.993591] REL POS: [-0.717346,-0.290576,2.193738]
162889: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 50.240738 WORLD POS: [-474.073425,-17.687588,554.546936] REL POS: [-0.920825,0.561025,-2.045545]
163312: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND ENVIRONMENT SPEED: 203.0184 WORLD POS: [394.462158,41.473602,916.176147] REL POS: [0.005418,-0.285480,2.291980]
164042: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND Menudo Pollon Tengo [] SPEED: 75.97312 WORLD POS: [-157.655670,2.324826,-167.359787] REL POS: [-0.937241,0.055357,-1.697842]
164127: COLLISION BETWEEN: Max_DogBreath [] AND SchummelSchumi [] SPEED: 185.02295 WORLD POS: [-202.095627,12.531074,-461.425262] REL POS: [-0.925351,-0.310319,

WOW! this guy should stick to Carmageddon, looks like he's a natural :/

maxdogbreath
ALOOG Member

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Blacklisted Sept 15, 2015 22:33:18 GMT PsyaNyde and demetri like this

Post by maxdogbreath on Sept 15, 2015 22:33:18 GMT

Sorry to have to create a new thread to reply to an existing one, but as you have moved the thread to a section I cannot post in I will have to put my comments here. Feel free to merge with the main thread:

aloog.net/thread/1602/blacklisted

You guys are gentlemen so I hope you will allow me the opportunity to defend myself.

Bigbaw has posted some server logs which show me in numerous collisions, which resulted in admins and the like getting together and having a good laugh at my expense. I have a few points and questions to make about the log extract, if you will allow me:

1: To clarify, I was playing over a number of hours, as mentioned in my original post. I presume these logs are taken from that time duration, and not from one single race? This certainly looks like no single race I remember.

2: A significant number of the collisions mentioned are with the 'environment', and not other cars. I am fairly new to the GT2 class. While on the limit I had a number of offs.

3: I presume these are collisions are where not only I hit drivers but other drivers hit me (please can you clarify as the list doesn't say). There certainly were malicious drivers on your server that day (are they getting the same treatment, I wonder?).

4: During one phase of the day, as referred to earlier in the post, there were a number of repeated pile ups near the start with a full server. As I generally tend to qualify near the middle/back of the pack (I am not fast) I was caught up in each and every one, clattering at speed into many cars at once in an unavoidable chain of collisions. I was a victim of these numerous pile ups/restarts and that phase alone would give off the core of these collision stats Bigbaw posted. The player seen as the cause of these pile ups was kicked, at the time, I think.

5: During my hours of playing no-one thought to votekick me (although I saw many others up for the vote) until the incident at the very end where someone took me out but felt that wasn't enough. If I was such an 'idiot' who deserves to be permabanned, why did no-one see me at fault during those preceding hours (until someone wanted to abuse your disciplinary procedures, that is).

6: NONE of the collisions I had were maliciously intended by me. Some are, no doubt, down to my perceived lack of skill.

7: Are the 'collisions' all high impacts or are some of these slight taps at the first hairpin, lap 1?

8: What do the logs of drivers, who have never been votekicked but who are new at this level look like? (You wont find too many more logs on me as I have said many times I am fairly new.)

Bigbaw: I appreciate you and your friends have a big job to do policing your servers, and I congratulate you on the success of the ALOOG project and its worthy aims. But I believe the log you posted about me is misinformative. Using such information, in a forum thread where I cannot reply to defend myself, while others admins gather round to flame me, is unfair. Being called an 'idiot', amongst other things, is unacceptable. I have been neither rude or inconsiderate, whether racing or in the forum (and your log does not prove otherwise). I had only the temerity to defend myself, for which I am now being made an example of (I don't believe I'm the first or last). If you guys flamed me to provoke a response, well here it is, and you must do what you will - I cannot hope to win when you guys own the servers and work together to make me out the bad guy. But I cannot leave my reputation undefended, and I am not willing to lie down and take the punishment I feel I do not deserve. I have to say my short experience on these servers has been surprisingly unpleasant, more Royston Vasey than 19th Century London, I fear.

I am now ready to face my executioner.

demetri
Server Admin

Posts: 381

Blacklisted Sept 16, 2015 3:56:28 GMT

Post by demetri on Sept 16, 2015 3:56:28 GMT

I'm sorry that you had a bad experience on the server. It looks like you were racing at a time when there were no active admins on the server. When no admin is around things might get out of control. And even when an admin is there, he can't police everything, we are all racers and want to race too and it's hard to do both at the same time, believe me. But I can assure you that a typical race on aloog is much cleaner than a typical race on other servers without strict rules and admin coverage, our huge ban list also helps with it.
It also helps when other people write about bad drivers in the chat. I sometimes skip the next race and watch reported offenders to see if they need to be warned or kicked if I haven't yet seen their bad behavior myself.

horus
ALOOG

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Blacklisted Sept 16, 2015 6:02:03 GMT PsyaNyde likes this

Post by horus on Sept 16, 2015 6:02:03 GMT

You should be able to reply Max, if not PM me so I can find out why you cannot, as this is not a locked thread and as such has no restrictions. As for your bumps and taps, you are having a few, eleven in one race, seven in another. If you are seeing a pile up at T1 avoid it! Stay at the back, go around the blockage, no need to go in all barrels blazing. You have had the Blacklisting removed from your name, but you have been touching other car inappropriately, stop it! It's very naughty and unbecoming of a gentleman.

You seem to be a good chap, get back on track and do not worry too much about being voted/blacklisted as you would never have had the opportunity to talk to us lot of idiots without it happening. Stay safe avoid T1 accidents, live long and prosper.

Last Edit: Sept 16, 2015 6:09:16 GMT by horus

bigbawmcgraw
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Blacklisted Sept 16, 2015 8:06:11 GMT horus likes this

Post by bigbawmcgraw on Sept 16, 2015 8:06:11 GMT

maxdogbreath

I'm still not sure why you cannot reply in this section, it's something that you should be able to do. I'll ask horus to look at it again.

I didn't make that post to mock you or indeed to encourage others to gang up on you, but if there are no other witnesses we can only go by what information we have. And yes I was aware the log was over the course of a long period, others perhaps didn't realize this.
We sometimes see people like yourself posting on this forum telling us that they've been unjustly kicked and after further investigation it turns out they were not entirely fault free. After viewing the collision log, I'll refer to my previous question...

Sept 15, 2015 12:28:35 GMT bigbawmcgraw said:

Now you may think you are a good driver (I'm not doubting you because AFAIK I've never raced with you) but perhaps you could have been more careful somewhere?

From the number of contacts and off tracks you had, and by your own admission, you were perhaps not of a level where you could safely race alongside other people who were on the server at the time or they perhaps thought you were a liability thus decided to kick you. Again I'm only surmising this from the log data and the fact you were vote kicked. Like I said already, it's very rare for people to be vote kicked unfairly but it can and does happen.

As demetri said, we do not have the resources to admin all of our servers 24/7 and even when admin are present, they also want to race and cannot watch every single player at all times. We enable vote kicking (quorum = 51%) to allow users to admin the server themselves in a rudimentary manner when admin are not present. Without this, the server would be much worse than it is as you saw for yourself with lihandball. On that occasion the voting system worked in your favour.

We are now running a server plugin called Minorating, which automatically collects collision data and grades your safety performance. We are, at this time, in the data collection phase where everyone is able to join our servers and be graded, however we will soon be blocking access to anyone who falls below a certain level.

We try not to alienate newcomers, it's really not in our best interest because you are potentially the future of our community, but we will let everyone who visits this forum know, in no uncertain terms, how we expect them to behave on track, which is for the benefit of everyone.

We gladly welcome you to take part in our passworded Wednesday races so we can get to know you better and see how you interact with others on track.

maxdogbreath
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Blacklisted Sept 16, 2015 11:05:00 GMT bigbawmcgraw likes this

Post by maxdogbreath on Sept 16, 2015 11:05:00 GMT

Thanks for the invite. You seem like a bunch of decent guys and I applaud ALOOG's aims - it can't be an easy job! I can't make today's race and I am not regularly online as I have busy real life commitments. In the meantime I will keep practicing, try to improve, and look forward to racing with you guys soon.

horus - it seems I can now reply in this thread! :)I think I remember reading something before about the 'Lifted Suspensions' section being locked from replies and new threads, although I can't see that any more. Thanks for the changes.